I don’t take responses seriously if they quote an immaterial opinion blurb, and go on to rant as if the rest of the post didnt exist.
Certification is meaningless because it does not certify what you think it does. That and the rest of your answers are already included in my post.
Wrong. ALL brick & mortar casinos in the United States are regulated and all of them have their RNGs checked. (The only possible exception are those run by Native Americans. Indian nations are sovereign.) All online casinos in those states with regulated online casinos—such as New Jersey—also have their RNGs checked. If it means nothing, then why is it done??
In addition, Occam’s Razor is not relevant to the discussion.
Player 1, you say that you are uncertain about how much regulation would help. I see your points. But I think the overall problem is the lack of a national plan for regulation of online gambling in the USA.
The cheating scandals on those dubious sites were exposed by other players—as you said. That policing can’t happen at Ignition with its anonymous tables. Would Ignition allow it to happen? Probably not: it would have too much to lose—as you say. But are you comfortable playing for high stakes at Ignition?
Well, the simple truth is that the USA is in a grey area. Only those few states that have legalized online casinos are well regulated—by their state authorities. There is no national regulation in the USA, but there should be. The USA basically kicked out Poker Stars for no good reason. After all, Poker Stars DID police its games. The US government is responsible for the fact that millions of its citizens gamble on unauthorized sites. If Ignition were to certify its RNG, it would not count for that much because the entity that certified Ignition would not be American. That is probably why Bovada/Ignition let its certification lapse after the end of its contract with Kahnawake Gaming.
One by one, states are legalizing and regulating online gambling. But poker is problematic because the player pools in individual states are too small.
Ignition fills a void that was created by America’s inability to regulate the online gambling of its citizens.
i agree
i trust the integrity of bodog/bovada/ignition but i am not a fan of the software.
there are so many bugs… and they NEVER get fixed.
there is an update almost every week on firefox because of internet security
there are 10 year old kids who are masters at hacking networks and read book after book of coding and hacking…(i cant get past page 1 of any programing book)
lets play the devils advocate and talk about russ hamilton
if he was running AP and UB poker with anonymous tables
and did not get caught
how many people would be in on it. just him? he tells 1 person and he wants in on it or else he will expose, then that guys leaks info to his buddy before you know it the whole town is in on it and everyone at the table is a super user, and no real players left.
now there is too many of them and it is too obvious all the reg poker players know but you cant fire them because they will expose.
that is how i know ignition would never do that…and risk their whole company sports books casino and all for a few extra bucks.
there is no way.
but once again lets play devils advocate and say it is so and they want to stop.
how can it be done?
i think just release a new poker client
with a new rng
they really need to do this in any case in my humble opinion…soooo manyyy bugggs.
i had to look up who owns bovada/ignition…i always thought it was calvin ayre but looks like he sold it to Mohawk Morris Gaming Group a private company
headquartered in the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake in Quebec, Canada
The CEO of MMGG is Alwyn Morris…this might not be accurate just a fast google search.
i am glad they are here for us and defending our right to play online poker and i thank them for that.
unreal how the usa became china in terms of online poker.
i think the reason us kicked them out was because they were not getting a cut and all that money was leaving the country. i think the us gov should start an online poker site…the state thing going on now is a joke.
i trust ignition/bovada will do the right thing.
therefore i trust them…just their software…
i do agree and think some type of regulation would make everyone feel a lot better
bodog/ignitoin/bovada always pay out
you never hear those dirty stories you hear from other poker sites where they rob people.
"The CEO of MMGG is Alwyn Morris (born November 22, 1957).
He’s a Canadian sprint kayaker who won two Olympic medals
(including one gold medal) for Canada in 1984. He’s also been
awarded the Order of Canada for work with Aboriginal youth in
the field of Alcohol and Drug abuse and was senior advisor to
the Chief and Council of the Kahnawake Mohawks for twelve years.
Under the Mohawk Morris Gaming Group, Bodog, and now Bovada,
have a great track record for customer support, payments, and
fair gambling policies. "
another reason i trust them is because of alwyn morris…what a hero…gold medal winner and helping kids with drug and alcohol abuse
he would never ruin his name and legacy with super users like russ hamilton did with AP and UB.
Thanks for the input. Greatly appreciated.
RNG being used here is the biggest joke of all time. When new games are released, they pay out to win over your future play. And then after a certain amount of time, Ignition manipulates those games (Reels and Wheels XL for example)… and they barely ever hit anything. It’s so painfully obvious and anyone that has spent some time here knows it. This site is not certified, nor is it regulated. Contacting support is like playing Go Fish… maybe you’ll get an agent or supervisor that actually wants to assist. If not… you’ll get the run around, false info, and sometimes even lied to directly. And it seems even with a feedback system, there is no consequence for them. On top of all of this, I’ve had a barrage of account issues that I’ve had to call on literally every week since July. The same mistakes, and I get assured they will be fixed going forward but they never do. You would think with so many states starting to legalize online gaming that ignition would make a move to become a little more player friendly. Instead… it somehow gets worse. Greed is a curious thing, isn’t it?
Bottom line is that you would think they would treat diamond VIP level players that accumulates millions of lifetime points in a span of months a little bit better than they do. They couldn’t care less. The amount of awful recorded experiences that I have here is laughable. Mostly on my part because I have continued to give them business in good faith. Jokes on me.
Question is there still a bad bet bonus because yesterday I got my pocket aces that turned into a set cracked?
This is my hand #4385204351
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Title speaks for itself. When are you going to seek licensing and get your RNG certified by a legitimate 3rd party verifier?
You lost your licensing back in 2016 when your licenser stopped certifying US casinos, but it’s been nearly 6 freaking years!
So who’s going to weigh in on becoming a truly online casino option. Or are you content being shady and show no transparency with how you actually run this casino?
@acepicklerick Its possible you missed an updated to our terms here where you can refer to 8.4 for any concerns
Can you tell me which of the 4 master license operators your license falls under? Now that you are licensed when can we expect to see independent verification of the RNG you use?
Can you clarify what you mean by 4 master license operators so we can forward your concern off correctly.
We’d also be more then happy to discuss any gameplay concerns you have as well
Ok, you have a gaming license with Curacao E-gaming and for whatever reason that fact is buried in your terms web page. There’s nothing on the front page advertising that you are licensed. Now, when are we going to see your RNG system verified? Having 3rd party verification would put to rest all but the most naggy of gamblers. That would satisfy me.
I believe this would fall under the same thing, the 3rd party would be the Gaming Commission.
very interesting thread.