Sitting out in MTTs and SNGs

The Ignition software has a bug with regards to players sitting out when cards or dealt .

If a player is “sitting out” after all cards are dealt, their hand should be folded and dead.

Rule 30 of the TDA says, "30: At Your Seat and Live Hands

To have a live hand, players must be at their seats when the last card is dealt to all players on the initial deal. Players not then at their seats may not look at their cards which are killed immediately. Their posted blinds and antes forfeit to the pot and an absent player dealt the stud bring-in card posts the bring-in. “At your seat” means in reach of your chair. This rule is not intended to encourage players to be out of their seats while in a hand."

Currently, in the Ignition software, if a player is sitting out pre-deal as well as after all cards have been dealt, he is allowed to act on his cards in turn.

This is in direct violation of TDA Rule 30 stated above.

Consider the situation where an EP player bets while seeing a player behind him is “sitting out”. Then, what is allowed by the Ignition software is that the sitting out player can all of a sudden become “live” and respond to the bet.

This is obviously wrong in relation to rule 30 but also in general terms of fair play and best interest of the game. This provides a very unfair possibility of angle shooting by the “sitting out” player.

I don’t believe there is a poker room in the world where a player not at his seat when the cards are dealt could, in the midst of action, walk up to his hand and sit down play with live cards.

If you are “sitting out” when the last card is dealt, your hand should be killed.

This needs to be fixed.


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Disconnections happen, can’t punish players when their internet go down.


They are not being “punished”.

They are also not allowed to angle shoot.

Can you give an example of angle shoot?
Also most likely no other online site in the world would muck their hand before it is their time to act. Kind of asking for a lot to have this be changed here.


An example of angle shooting is for example, UTG player sees the BB is “sitting out”. Maybe it is a full table, maybe there are 4 players, doesn’t matter. He decides to raise, figuring he has one less player to get the raise through, especially since the sitting out player already has 1 BB invested.

The “sitting out” player has a premium hand. Let’s call it AA. He decides to “sit out” to entice someone to bet or raise, since it appears he cannot call. When the raise comes, he sits back in before it is his action with a plan to re-raise.

That is angle shooting, It is irrelevant what “any other site in the world” does as long as the action being taken is in fairness and the best interest of the game. Be better than every other site.

And as mentioned it is violation of TDA Rule 30.

At no poker room in the world would the “sitting out” player be able to come running up to the table after the cards are out, much less after action is pending, and demand from the dealer that he retrieve his cards from the muck and be allow them to be played.

It might be asking for a lot. That doesn’t mean it can’t or shouldn’t be done if it protects the integrity of the game.

It is not in violation, if the player sits back in. And, those rules are guidelines, not violations to shut a site down for breaking the law.

Because all the sites (including pokerstars, GG, ACR, etc,) allow the same thing, it is industry practice (watch some twitch streams).

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You don’t know WHAT is perfect to me, in addition to many things you don’t know.

Where did I say it is “my site”? You sound like a real piece of work.

Still got a bug up your ass about the “no-show all in” you were wrong about?