so i see all sorts of posts/comments something to the effect of “the games aren’t fair/the rng is suddenly tighter” or some form of comment like that. i also understand that everyone is going to have a different expectation of what “fair” is. but i’m curious what some of you guys would consider “fair”? ie how long in terms of time should you be able to play on a 200 spin (of your normal spin size) deposit be? what should be the average rate at which you get a bonus feature in terms of spins/bonus? what should the average bonus win be in terms of spins, like 50x spins/bonus? has anyone here actually collected any data to back up the claims that things are different? and by data i mean recorded spin for spin the rtp, bonus opportunities, games played, played while in rollover/not in rollover? like actually got any data and not just their subjective opinions because honestly some of you are just degen and wrong, but theres a few i’m sure who have opinions based more in reality than in conspiracy and those are the voices i’m curious to hear from.
If you go through older post like from previous years you’ll see people have been complaining about RTP changing after maintenance throughout the years so if they’d hold any truth RTP would be 0 by now,
What has decreased significantly recently are extra bonuses given to players… but their rtp is fair, and I’m saying that when I’m currently down $2k in the last 31 days.
I agree with this. My RTP is probably relatively the same over the years. The maintenance thing seems to have spiked recently compared to the past. Deposit match bonuses are about the same but non-deposit bonuses have declined significantly, and rewards points drops are virtually non-existent (have seen a few posters saying they got one recently)
I haven’t been here long enough to give this a fair evaluation but I do keep a spread sheet that has recorded every spin, every win, every bonus and all the losses. I do this for tax reasons and because I like to know where my money goes down to the pennies. I never thought of going over the numbers to see if the casino or slots were fair. I’m not really sure how one would come to any conclusion, even with all the data I keep, because too many other factors would come into play that could lead to various outcomes. On the other hand, at just glancing through my sheets it does appear that when I first started playing I was hitting a bonus spin on Wheels around/close to 20 spins but the more recent ones seem to be doubled, give or take, but then again the jackpot sizes are different so again I’m left thinking there are too many variables to come to a concrete conclusion.
How do you save all this data?
You mean you would hit a bonus round every 20 spins? Even if you’re hitting a bonus round every 40 spins now that’s extremely good luck
Excel keeps everything organized and I have a computer with 2 hdd’s just for these kinds of things
I mean like how do you save the result of every spin
Well I screen record everything now, after having read several complaints on the forum, but I also record them as they come… I’m sure that’s weird but it’s not hard and definitely doesn’t effect how fast I spin my money away. I play on my phone or laptop and have my excel open on the computer, a simple x for no win or a dollar amount or bonus+ dollar amount with my header being the game, jackpot size and spin amount… yeah I’m totally a weirdo, I hear it now…
Can I see a screenshot of that? This would be amazing
And I mean having any sample north of 50k spins at a particular bet size in a machine is going to give you rather reliable rtp metrics if nothing else. (Total # of spins x cost of spin)/(total money won)*100= rtp
I got that upside-down don’t I? (Total winnings/total cost)*100