I’ve always been under the impression that ignition t&s agreement strictly prohibited the use of heads up display software also known as poker trackers. I made an attempt to locate the portion of the t&s agreement that mentions this matter but it appears it’s no longer there or maybe I was dreaming and it was never there to begin with.
That being said what exactly is ignition’s stance on the use of poker aids such as poker trackers and heads up displays during both cash and tournament play.
I used drivehud for about a year with no problems. Didn’t really like the program but I know people use PT4 and HM3 with few issues.
Right, we have no problem with those.
That’s good to know, I’ve been around for a while but it appears I was just imagining things when it comes to ignitions stance on the use of such software.
Would it be fair to say this is a poor choice when it comes to marketing? At the very least slightly deceiving? But I say no more wouldn’t want to rub anyone the wrong way. Appreciate you being willing to at least chime in.
To clarify here, and you can see this reiterated on many other posts, we do not recommend the use of HUD’s or Third party software while using our software. Though I don’t believe this is against ToS , and we ultimately can’t stop players from using them on their end.
Note however, that the statements in the screenshots still stand, as our tables being anonymous does obviously still limit the effectiveness of any HUD or tracker since it can’t track specific play other than at the table you’re on at the time. In other words, it can’t follow you.
Also, as per the 3rd screenshot this is more to show that our software doesn’t have these type of HUD’s integrated like some other Poker Software.
I think we can agree the way that it is written it can be argued either way, its certainly not black and white and could lead to confusion on whether such software is allowed.
Thats why I used the wording I did in my post because at the very least I still find the marketing slightly deceptive but that’s my opinion and well you know what they say about opinions.
As a side note I do genuinely believe that at one point it was part of the t&s agreement (use of 3rd party software) it’s clearly not anymore and that’s likely in part due to your ability to actually enforce. I could be totally wrong there and if so please forgive me.
Now at the very least we can agree it’s clear what the stance is regarding such software. While the post may have seemed attacking in nature it was genuinely created to get clarification. I appreciate you two for being willing to discuss the matter.
I honestly find the HUDS as cheating devices. In a tournament you don’t have to wait to see how a player plays if you get moved or they move to your table. All of their stats are there. If a player not with a Hud gets moved to a table and table riddled with HUDs. That player without is at a disadvantage. I think I’ll write a letter to the powers that be.
While I don’t necessarily view them as cheating I do see it as an aid. That being said it’s not anything a player can’t do the old fashion way (both live and online) without the use of software albeit would be far more tedious. I’m also a firm believer that a tool is only as good as the person using it and while there are some who it benefits I don’t believe all who use it necessarily gain an advantage.
I would argue that any online poker room you visit likely has over half of its player base using such software. Here at ignition my guess is lower limit games around 30% higher limit games likely over half.
I personally don’t use one and still won’t but my gripe was with the fact that other players, as was I, could be deceived into believing that they are not allowed or that other players don’t use them.
As long as it’s known that when you play you may/likely will encounter someone using one I have no issues.
On a final note to enforce their use would bring into serious ethical and security questions. They would need to be able to monitor the end user machine which again is both a security concern and an ethical one.
