This might be a stupid question to ask someone with 40 mil hands played, but have you run your Ignition hands through a quality analyzer, specifically to calculate variance? Also what’s hour HH sample size for Ignition? Just curious, I’ve had more than a few unbelievable downswings playing poker, but chalked it up to variance.
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i have been playing so long and had no idea about that variance calculator
Completely Agree. The hands are setup to increase all in’s or larger pots. Lots of two pair with 3 card flush or straight boards and plenty of drawing for all. And lot more large pair v pair AA KK QQ numerous times. I actually folded QQ on the bubble of final table in tourny to avoid that as two players prior to me ALL IN… And it did not take rocket science when I saw AA KK and I had QQ. Go figure as it happens often and playing online is no excuse as if you play 15,000 hands in 1 day, 7 days, or 7 years it is still 15,000 hands and you get your you ratios. The part about anonymous tables with no chat and no regulating agency or 3rd party verification makes it odd. I think most people know the system is set to create table action and larger pots. The same for table games or casino it is setup to give the idea of winning to only be slightly beaten or tied in hands.
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oh man if only u guys can see how bad i have been hit with the doom stick
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Watched a coach playing 100nl Fast Fold, had QQ. Regular cash game, Zoom. By watching the 4 bet and 5 bet action (he had 3 bet), he folded the QQ, because someone was showing AA with the 5 bet. This comes with experience and studying GTo vs exploitative play. Yes, sometimes the flops generate action, if you are looking to stack someone, but if you have two pair, called a 4 bet with AJ, and board is AJQT, time to fold. Too many hands beat you. Yes, made a stack when someone had the low end of a straight, and I had the nuts, also nut flush vs set on turn (surprised by these all ins, whether push or call), that is how it works.
You don’t have to call. If you do too much, then maybe a little more study will help.
Most folks with rigged theories don’t have that much experience with Math. If you are running below ev, then for heavens sake, tighten up. Running above? Loosen a little. Know about pot odds, and how to build a pot with the nuts (I did 3 streets of betting with quads twice, and got called). Study my friends. The more you build the roll, the more variance you can take.
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The majority of talk about poker being rigged stems from either a simple lack of fundamental knowledge about poker and it’s principles and/or misunderstanding/misinterpretation of the same. I have met and talked to a crazy number of poker players who honestly only have a basic understanding of the game. Topics like variance, equity, probability, and odds are important to understand in poker. Learning and understanding them helps explain 99% of bad beats / downswings, aka ‘run bad’.
Plus it would considerably more difficult, complicated, and overall way less profitable to rig poker RNG over a long period of time. On the other hand the ability to manipulate casino platforms is built into the software by design. Now with Bovada buying the source code for a swath of popular games and developing their own proprietary games, what/how they manipulate games on their casino is unlimited. They can rig them in any way they see fit, at any time, for any reason, and make them behave however they want, and that will ALWAYS be to their favor. Again, since Ignition/Bovada allows absolutely 0% transparency into the way the operate and maintain their systems they have free run to operate as unethically as they want.
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This was exactly the point I was making. All the forum pro’s offering arguments about EV, ratios, pot odds, swings good or bad, and mathematics is not the main issue. The issue at hand is “If” the software or platform is code, it can and is manipulated to a certain direction. Sure it will not specify who wins a specific hand or in poker what player gets what, but what can be manipulated is the code itself to organize larger pots by say creating appealing cards to several players for draws, or whatever. YES I understand if you play online the amount of hands you see will encounter variance and you will have swings in live or online play… but what you do not get in live play that is encountered in online play is manipulation of code. Anyone remember when one site had it so code manipulated showed hole cards of players to people who altered the code? same theory applies in ways the software can be made to produce cards out to the masses in a way that makes it in favor of more all in pots, more odds of AA being beat by JJ or being beat by 25off. Sure the guy with 25off would have to call or whatever but randomly dealt cards in live play you have suck outs or bad luck (variance) but you do not have code altered. The only way a site can assure its players of fair play is by being regulated and or certified by a outside 3rd party. Both of which Ignition has failed to do for 3 years. Now I play here (Lack of options and when an option exists many will leave but until then we play) and many others do, but the main question for ignition Mod/Admin is “Why has Ignition not become regulated and or certified and why are they banned in Australia?”. What bothers me is the “We comply with industry best practices” … 1) who’s best practices 2) Who certified that for you. I can have a home game with a dealer who cheats and claim I have “Best home game practices”. From all i read the best I can come up with is any legitimate company would want to prove its customers it is legal and legit. It would want to pay to have the certification for casino and poker software or be regulated. If not then the questions will continue to surround this site and its code or software. No player is getting certain hands in a certain seat to profit or “Rigged” but that does not mean the code or software is not altered to create more rake or more slanted odds or payout % in like casino games. Only 3rd party verification proves the legal and ethical standards.
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No, you don’t get it, he was talking about slot machines.
And, have you heard of paragraphs?
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And either you work for Ignition or something. Code is code you moron. It can be manipulated no matter if it is sewing or cake baking code, or poker or casino. Code and software can be managed. If you do not understand that, then you are brain dead. My point was code being manipulated and I do not care about slot, poker, craps, or whatever. If they do not have someone regulating them, or certifying there is an issue. If you believe otherwise then you are part of the issue.
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I don’t think Ignition is rigged. But a certification would be nice just to be sure everything is legit. @Matt We can’t really just take strangers in another country (Canada) at their word when it comes to gambling on the internet. That would be naive and irresponsible with money.
Back in June of last year I ran 25 dollars into 800 or so playing microstakes zone and cash games. And I had no problems cashing out via Bitcoin. Ignition is the most legit you can find playable in every state. But if you want truly legit you need a certification otherwise move to where you can play Pokerstars etc.
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Exactly. For those of us that don’t live in a state that lets you play at legit online casinos, Ignition is the best of the worst alternatives. At least in regards to poker.
It would be nice if Ignition/Bovada gave a shit about showing they are legit. It does not take 3+ years to contract a respected 3rd party auditor to verify RNG/RTP.
I know I’m beating a dead horse over and over again about this, but damnit this horse really pisses me off lol.
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@acepicklerick I’m sure that it is that they know they are an only option for some people. Being certified must be a huge pain in the ass or there are underlying issues going on as to why they don’t want to do this. They know that gamblers will keep gambling and if their bottom line isn’t being affected then they’re probably not going to act.
Although I’m not saying anything disparaging about Ignition they are the best for us right now. America’s Card Room is rampant with cheating and Global Poker just has a shitty interface that I can’t stand. And no ZOOM.
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Global Poker added zoom tables. They call them surge.
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No way for real? Do they have bitcoin transfers? When I get my bankroll up I will probably put some on them as well they have an insanely weak player pool.
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hmmm
maybe i will try them out and see how good i run there.
dont worry ignition you are and will always be my first true love regardless of what happens
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Just play with a bankroll you are willing to forfeit. I lost my bankroll on another site once… $265
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Not to say anything bad against Ignition. You are still an online casino.
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lol yeah i deposited on so many poker sites pre-blackfriday and lost my $ on a lot of them.
bodog was the only site that didnt kick me off and steal my $
I had a bankroll of $600 that was returned on another poker site.
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Anytime you play the money in there should be able to be lost O.K.
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