Just Curious, if its just me or everyone

I’m just curious forum if I’m the only one who experiences very noticeable changes in slots. I’ve spent enough and have played the same games enough to see some very noticeable changes in the games from day to day. For instance I’ll play a game such as Dragons were it will be pretty regular and hit a decent win every ten minutes or so, then come back the next day and it will almost seem as if someone adjusted something cause it will then be relentless to the point were I can spend 150 dollars playing minimum bet with little or no bonuses and the rare rare rare occasion it hits it won’t pay nothing nada. The change is so obvious to me just wondering if anyone has noticed this… And yes I know it’s gambling and there will be high’s and lows as well as streaking but what I’m noticing is its like I’m playing a completely different game. As well if it’s hitting good on that rare occasion I’ll notice a small pause or glitch and after that it will suck you dry relentless, almost like a program runs a history and sees oh he’s been winning time to suck him dry, just want some of your guys experiences please… thanks and better luck to you guys than I’ve had… I will say the moderators on this forum are good guys that I’ve experienced and will try and help were they can and that is awesome…

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I totally agree it’s like ever since this covid 19 started and everyone was on lockdown couldn’t go to work so we play and then they had maintenance done and bam loser central its totally sucks and yet I keep playing

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I’ve noticed payout rates changing at different times of the day, different days, and over a multi year time frame. With how online slot management software works, I’m 100% positive Ignition can do anything they can think of with all of the games they offer. In my opinion there is 0% chance that they are at a fixed rate and I believe the overall payout % is trending down.A few years ago I would have more winning sessions, not a whole lot more, but enough to come back with winnings and play more sessions. Also, my session bankroll used to last much longer with more ‘filler’ trigger wins that kept my balance in a healthy, fun, and exciting ebb and flow. That kind of play experience was gone by the end of 2019.

I JUST had a session on Diamond Dragon EXACTLY like what you described on Dragon. $400 in bets, when I eventually hit free spins I was LUCKY to get my spin bet back! It’s stupid crazy when your regular pay lines are paying better than free spin bonuses!

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You said you noticed this trend towards the end if 2019?

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I play 6max holdem and around November of 19 I started noticing a difference in the play and the card run-outs. Thought alot of it was maybe a change in the player pool at my stake level but it has continued since for all but one lucky day…I started asking other players I know at the higher stakes tables and found they are asking the same questions I was… Hmmm, I am keeping an open mind and a watchful eye on things around here.

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I’m referring mainly to the casino side of Ignition. Of course the poker RNG can be manipulated, basically they could do anything they wanted to it and no one would have any proof they did. I don’t believe the poker RNG is rigged any more than the next guy who’s had a bad beat. Of course we’d have no way of knowing if it was. Ignition is 100% unregulated and not verified by an impartial 3rd party.

The casino games on the other hand, I am most certain are manipulated regularly and without any oversight other than their own. Of course Ignition has said many times in the forums that everything is on the up and up, they follow all industry best practices, but who wouldn’t say that. It is very unfortunate that the poker and gambling climate in the US is the way it is. If there was a single regulated, verified, and could accept players from all over the US, Ignition would most certainly move quickly to legitimize themselves officially and in writing, but just like life your always stuck with either a giant douche or a turd sandwich.

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So there is a different type of program that governs the “randomness” of the casino games unlike the poker RNG? I don’t play slots so I have no idea how they are controlled. Always thought it was same type of random number generator just accessing it thru different software. Your timeline was just similar to when I really noticed a difference so thought maybe it was an issue across all the games.

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After reading up on the subject, I found that the same RNG is used at an online casino across the entire platform of games whether its Blackjack, Slots, Poker or Roulette. The software uses the RNG’s numbers in different ways according to the software’s or games need. So it is very possible that what you have experienced is the same “anomaly” I and others have. I really hate to even think a large operation like Ignition &Bovada would do these types of things, but as we know, you can never trust anything 100%…

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I recommend you read this thread if you haven’t already Ignition is not regulated and RNG is not certified. Ignition is not regulated and has no 3rd party verification. And that was 3 years ago. It does not take 3 years to find a credible company to verify their RNG. If it really is legit, they would bring someone in to certify it, but they haven’t.

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me too movement about slots… lol

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just incase i will repeat … spot on me too buddy … lol yeah buddy thinking the same thing but i just watched my reel not even pay me … not fair

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i feel like we are on the same page and with the same game … i play lots and i played alot more and for longer in the begining … i wish they could prove its a random thing rather than its me when i log in… i have watched the account of a friend do the same as soon as you start giving money… like right now the only win i got was after trying the weekly bonus so now its a trap i cant cash out , even if i didnt plan on it … i just wanted a break from the loss losss losss .

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I have known about their lack of a 3rd party audit and gaming license for quite some time. I read about the top auditors that conduct inspections on the Pseudo-RNG casinos use to check for randomness & fairness across the games etc.etc. After the last 6 months here, I just don’t know what to believe anymore. Thoughts coming from players like yourself that are seeing things in the casino and also the poker players. There are players that still claim to make a decent living off of Ign/Bov every month but I dont expect them to post their account info or tax returns just to prove that they are. I am just kind of in a half in/half out limbo state keeping my eyes open and my deposits, if any, on the smaller side. What makes it even more of a riddle is that Pokerstars has a PRNG hardware system that is very complex, state of the art, audited, checked, approved, stamped and awarded in every way. Supposedly hacker proof, plus they use several different triggers for their seed number which makes its even more secure, or something like that I read about it…and still their are a $hit ton of players out there that claim its rigged over there. When I say “rigged” I mean in a way that promotes higher betting, more deposits, bigger pots etc. Mostly I read about players that seem to think its “rigged” specifically against THEM, or a certain group or type of player. I don’t think it could be against any one player or players…If I were to commit this deed I would just make sure that the slots ALMOST hit the jackpot numerous times to keep a player hitting the buttons because it feels “close” or “hot”…or make sure 3-4 people connect on the flop in a poker hand to promote betting and bigger pots etc. I would think it would have to be in the software using the RNG for anyone to do this, that way they can have audits, inspections, generate the right percentages of payouts etc. while not jeopardizing their integrity by messing with the RNG hardware. So I am not sure I would feel any better with a license, an audit by someone, or a letter that says I am safe here. Those things are subject to manipulation just like any other thing…maybe even worse. I know what I see when I play and I imagine if you play long sessions like I do that you are seeing the same “things”. I am just being cautious until further notice…will talk again soon.

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First off I wanted to say that was very well written and articulated! This is the kind of post I look forward to reading in a forum.

You just described is exactly what I observed in 2019 and see escalating so far in 2020. Just over the last 72 hours I’ve had this same scenario play out on many different slots, but mainly three different slot games, Diamond Dragon, Multiplier Man, and 777 Deluxe. At the start of 72 hours of play I was winning right away, bonuses, free spins with Mega wins and Super Mega wins, huge normal play spins on the majority of slots I played. After running around $14 to over $800 I stopped submitted a withdrawal and called it a day. I got on later and punted away some money, kinda intentionally to try my luck at jumping my bet amount for a huge win like I was getting earlier I busted and shrugged it off that was the cost of such risky thinking. After my withdrawal cleared I decided to make a deposit since my weekly crypto bonus reset and I wanted to play some poker tournaments. Took a few bad beats in a few SNGs and busting my tournaments due to making bad/boneheaded plays I decided to load up my favorite slots and ‘see if they were hot’. Short story, they were not, they were ice cold. Immediately after I submitted my withdrawal request I started losing. It started small, I hit bonuses less, when I did I always picked the lowest reward, I hit less free spins and they rarely paid out more than 5x-15x. Finally, my last session, after redepositing a low amount of money maybe 2 or 3 times I almost never won more than maybe 30x regardless of how many free spins I’d hit. This all happened over and over again for hundreds and hundreds of min bet spins.

I have no expectation that a casino game is meant to be profitable long term, they are not, but such blatant manipulation and exploitation is not only unethical, it’s outright illegal.

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I could go on and on and on about this subject and some of the ridiculous bad beats that happen playing poker in just about every session played here. The games seem to be rigged so that even if it’s just 2 or 3 people playing in a zone 1/2nl game, just about every hand both people in the hand connect to the flop almost all the time. It’s def setup to promote action and increase rake.

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Look at how bad this is.

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That happened about 10 minutes ago. Right after I completed rollover requirement for the crypto bonus offer.

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Ok in the span of about 30 minutes I’ve hit free spins 4 times at $2.50 per spin. On 2 of those free spins I hit the extra free spins. So with 50 total free spins at $2.50/spin I won $53.80 :joy::joy:. Feelsbad

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I play a lot of Diamond Dragon! It was my second favorite slot on Ignition when I first started playing slots. Now it’s just a nightmare. Earlier this week I had a 20 free spin payout less than my bet and I haven’t gotten so much as a 2 column wild spin in over 100+ spins…

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That sounds like how every single one of my ‘coolers’ started! I would start shit hot, then I’d do something selfish like withdraw some winnings, then immediately would stop hitting bonuses, and eventually spin away my remaining balance for minimum payouts.

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